Moms for Liberty co-founder Tiffany Justice effectively debated MSNBC host Joy Reid, putting on an impressive display of intelligence and knowledge. The important subjects of parental rights and school book bans were the main topics of conversation.
Reid brought up a significant issue regarding the rights of liberal and LGBTQ parents to raise their children. Justice reaffirmed the indisputable right of all parents to direct their children’s upbringing, irrespective of their sexual orientation or religious convictions.
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The main issue, which was the explicit and graphic sexual content found in some books, was brought up quickly in the conversation.
Justice clarified that the action taken was the removal of books from public school libraries rather than a ban on them. She used the analogy of limiting access to particular websites on the internet in schools to illustrate her point. She emphasized that the goal of Moms for Liberty was to support appropriate content in educational settings rather than to outlaw it.
“I want to be clear: no one’s banning books. Write the book, print the book, publish the book, put the book in the public library, sell the book, right? We’re talking about a public school library,” said Justice.
“Children don’t have unfettered access to the internet at school. I did a FOIA records request, and I wanted to see what kinds of internet sites are banned in schools if we’re going to talk about banning, right? And the subject matter in the books that moms are concerned about are the same things that kids don’t have access to on the internet. So, it just feels very hypocritical, right? Why is no one out there protesting the internet in school?” she added.
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Though they don’t have a national book list, Moms for Liberty strongly advises parents to become familiar with the resources available in their kids’ school libraries. During a recent discussion, Justice stressed the significance of being knowledgeable advocates.
Reid took on the contentious topic of Booklooks, a popular Moms for Liberty website that specializes in book research. He claimed that in order to justify their position of taking books off library shelves, this platform takes advantage of out-of-context passages. Justice, however, voiced disapproval of this practice.
“You’ll get out-of-context passages from the book, and then based on that, Moms for Liberty members are going to places like Broward County School Board meetings, reading out-of-context passages from these books, and then demanding that the school board remove them,” claimed Reid.
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I would like to know what level of expertise you and other Moms for Liberty activists possess in order to determine that a book that has won multiple awards, such as “All Boys Aren’t Blue,” is inappropriate for students to read.Reid, who didn’t seem to understand the book’s context, questioned.
Justice wholeheartedly agrees with Moms for Liberty that some content—like graphic depictions of sexual acts or violence—should not be allowed in public school libraries. She highlights the group’s objective of giving parents the authority to decide for themselves and to exercise control over their kids’ exposure to these kinds of materials in the classroom.
“What a tragic story of a young man who was anally raped by his adult family member. So you have incest, rape, pedophilia. Joy, you said you’d let me answer, so I’m going to answer for you. In what context is a strap-on dildo acceptable for public schools? That’s my question to you. Tell me what the context is around the strap-on dildo or the rape of a minor child by a teacher. We’re talking about public school,” Justice said.
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Reid posed a serious question to Justice: should parents not be allowed to give their children books that contain explicit material about rape, pedophilia, and pornography?
Joy Reid: As you mentioned, it’s a complete account of the author’s experience in context. Why is it your right, as an activist for Moms for Liberty, to argue that any parent who wants their child to have access to this book—which provides a firsthand account of the author’s experience—and why don’t liberal parents or parents of LGBTQ children have the same right to request that their child simply have access to this book? How come it’s okay for you to say they can’t?
Tiffany Justice: So once more, rape, pedophilia, and incest are under discussion.
Joy Reid: It is up to each parent to determine what literature is suitable for their child to read. I therefore need your response. I have another question for you. What right do you have to tell a parent who might feel that their child is being seen by this story and wants it? Why are they not entitled? As parents, why don’t they have the authority to declare, “My child can read this book”?
Tiffany Justice: A child has been the victim of a predator if they identify with this story. This indicates that they have either experienced or witnessed a family member rape them.
Joy Reid: What is your evidence for that, exactly?
Tiffany Justice: You mentioned earlier that this story makes your child feel seen.
Joy Reid: At this point, you’re assuming things.
Tiffany Justice: There ought to be lively discussions regarding the conditions in our public schools and the resources available to children. Happiness. But perhaps we should just store all the books that contain explicit sexual content in the dildo.
Joy Reid: I apologize.
Since it contradicts their narrative, Joy declines to display the graphic material present in the books that have been banned.
Watch the entire conversation below:
